A response to the post "Gayless in Heaven…"

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  • #866
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    gaywithoutgod
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    Heres a response posted by ‘cure’ on Pixel Joint to the post Gayless in Heaven | How the Afterlife Described by Christians Sets Up an Identity Problem. What are your thoughts?

    From what I understand of the Christian perspective, there is no sexuality at all in heaven, gay or straight. In Mark 12:25 Jesus says that marriage doesn’t even carry over into heaven. So the premise seems silly to begin with, gays won’t be made straight in heaven, sexuality will not exist at all. The question of identity and neural connections seems a little odd too, since heaven is a spiritual realm, and neurons/brains exist in the physical realm. The valid question I can dig out of this is ‘is there individuality in heaven?’ in the verse I mentioned earlier, Jesus says the ascended will be ‘like the angels’, who are united in will with God and pretty much don’t do anything other than offer him praise, no ego to be seen. (the whole rebellious angels being thrown into hell after following Satan/Lucifer isn’t really biblical, nor is the identification of Satan with Lucifer).

    In short, the article mixes the physical world and its laws with the completely spiritual realm of heaven (though I know some Protestants who think heaven and our heavenly forms will be physical, for whatever unsupported reason).

    Personally I think the modern concept of heaven is a corruption of Jesus’s original philosophy of the Kingdom of God (called the Kingdom of Heaven in one gospel out of respect to the Jewish readers who avoided saying or writing God’s name). Elements of this philosophy were conflated with the existing concept of Heaven, which was just the realm God existed in and the birds flew through, not a destination for souls. Traditionally Sheol was the destination for the souls of the righteous and the unrighteous alike, and was nothing more than a state of being dead. The evolving concept of the soul’s judgment and contact with the Hellenic world led to to Heaven/hell dichotomy we have today.

    That’s just my opinion though.

    #2029
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    This one’s easy. In heaven, you become Borg. Assimilated. Resistance is futile.

    …Isn’t that what we used to say about Commies?

    #2866
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    The whole concept of Heaven V. Hell V. Purgatory is ultimately a theory. This response births the question: If sexuality doesn’t exist within heaven, and marriage isn’t carried over into the ‘next life’, then why are laws still in place today that prohibit same sex marriage based on religious texts?

    Jesus doesn’t seem to care that much lol

    #4545
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    Lord Relentless
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    This is an interesting question and the answer lies in the contradictions of the very verses you list.

    One cannot be ‘rebellious’ without individuality, god has “sex” with Marry to have Christ, so sexuality must be maintained as well as gender. If heaven is where humans are as angels who warship  god then free will is lost which god gives us (
    Proverbs 21:15-16
    New International Version (NIV)

    15 When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous
    but terror to evildoers.

    16 Whoever strays from the path of prudence
    comes to rest in the company of the dead.)

     

    Ergo, logically speaking, in heaven we must retain the self, we don’t just assimilate into some singular whole. Irony is a bitch here, because that then suggests that in the Judeo-Christian view of heaven, heaven is essentially a Communist “country” where everyone, as individual as they are, are one of many and seen as the same all sitting under a singular dictator who orders them to warship him without stop.

    This sort of reminds me of North Korea…

    #4927
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    psyadam
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    if there’s no [gay] sex in heaven I want no part of it

    #5498
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    jksteiner1974
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    The concept of heaven is as full of logical fallacies as the concept of god.  There are no gays in heaven because heaven does not exist.

    #5707
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    IMST
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    I’m honestly not seeing anything to respond to here. Someone’s speculating on the nature of a thing that lacks evidence of its existence. There’s nothing to agree with or disagree with here to me, just a bunch of talking about something completely irrelevant to me. If someone tried to bring all this up in a conversation with me about religion or sexuality, I’d be explaining how nothing about this part of the conversation was interesting to me and ask that we move on to something else.

    #7930
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    You can’t remedy one with the other!
    Eh!!???

    …they missed the ‘without god’ part in the address bar right?

    #8055
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    Gerald
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    the concept of heaven and hell is very weird. A christian would tell me im going to hell because i am gay or maybe because i don’t go to church but because i was never and will never get baptized i cannot go to hell and i cannot go to heaven. the concept of an atheist going to hell is very wrong along with gay people

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